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hi, everyone. i'm brooke baldwin. happy friday. what a debate it was you watched or rewatched. i think you might agree with me here, that was very much so worth looking at twice. joe biden, paul ryan. they really went at it, especially biden. here he is, mr. fact check, joe biden, challenging congressman ryan on ryan's medicare plan. >> this is a plan that is
bipartisan. it is a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator from oregon. >> there is not one democrat who endorses it. not one democrat who signed the plan. >> my partner is a democrat from oregon. >> he says he no longer supports your plan. >> we put it together with the former clinton budget director. >> and so it went. but now all of a sudden we have mitt romney checking joe biden's facts concerning the consulate attack in libya. and this is something you haven't yet heard. this is mitt romney speaking just a short time ago, here he is in richmond, virginia, you need to hear this. mitt romney. >> the vice president directly contradicted the sworn testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. and we need to understand exactly what happened. when the vice president of the united states directly
contradicts the testimony, sworn testimony of state department officials, american citizens have a right to know just what's going on. >> okay, we need to break this down and to do that i want to bring in cnn's jill dougherty live for us at the state department. first, jill, let me play a little sound. we need to hear what the vice president says last night this is vice president joe biden explaining the administration's evolving accounts of what happened in benghazi, you know the date, september 11th, the day terrorists killed united states ambassador chris stevens. biden is saying that as new facts have become available, u.s. intelligence has changed what it's telling the obama administration. let's listen. >> as they learn more facts about exactly what happened, they changed their assessment. that's why there is also an investigation headed by tom pickering, a leading diplomat from the reagan years, who is doing an investigation as to whether or not there are any lapses, what the lapses were, so they will never happen again. >> and they wanted more security there. >> well, we weren't told they
wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> we hear the pronoun he's using, it is we. many of the -- many agree the bo bone of contention is the we were not told the u.s. diplomats needed more security before the fatal attack on september 11th. romney didn't say which state department official that be with. he didn't say specifically which testimony. let's start with that. can you discern what romney was talking about when he said biden contradicted that sworn testimony? >> well, i would say number one that is probably a reference to eric nordstrom, who was the regional security officer, that means he works for the state department. the diplomatic security side of that. and he -- in sworn testimony he did say that he had asked for more security assistance, more personnel, and that he was
refuse refused. you have to get into the subchapters on this. there were requests he made that were verbal. there were requests that were not necessarily formal bureaucratic stamped type of things. so i think we have to really get down into the weeds to say was it a formal request that was turned down, was it a less formal, verbal one et cetera. on the other side, that we that you were talking about, what he's saying is, look, this is handled, the personnel issues are handled by the state department. that type of detail doesn't come to us here at the white house. at least that's what the white house is saying. >> two things going on there. let me throw another layer on this. at the white house, spokesman jay carney got hit with a slew of questions, specifically about this, about libya. i mensed bi edmentioned that bie
were not told our people in libya were asking for more security. here is a little bit of what jay carney said on that. >> -- no one who testified about this matter suggested that requests for additional security were made to the president or the white house. these are issues appropriately that are handled by security professionals at the state department. that's what he was talking about. >> jill, does that explanation pass the smell test, that the president didn't know, the vice president didn't know, the state department's purview here. >> when you get into the requests that were going back quite a ways, yeah, that probably does pass the test in the sense that the president is not going to get involved in, let's say, a request for three or five additional personnel in benghazi, which wasn't even -- wasn't an embassy, wasn't a consulate, it was a temporary mission. there is no way that the president could keep on track of that.
now, later, were there other requests, we would have to look into that. but i would say that that probably is fair to say that the president doesn't deal with individual security requests. that's what the state department does. >> okay. jill dougherty, thank you. we want to keep asking the questions here and to do that i want to turn to gloria borg, chief political analyst. gloria, i was watching you post game after the debate, i want to get to the debate, but we have to stick with libya for a moment here. let's listen one more time to what mitt romney said today accusing the vice president of contradicting sworn testimony at the debate last night. >> the vice president directly contradicted the sworn testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. and we need to understand exactly what happened as opposed to this -- brush this aside. when the vice president of the united states directly
contradicts the testimony, sworn testimony of state department officials, american citizens have a right to know just what's going on. >> we all hear him say it, but, gloria, would the claim by romney be a bit more credible if he came right out and said specifically which state department officials he's talking about and what their sworn testimony was? >> and if you listen to gentlemen biden, he said we didn't know. he's referring to himself and perhaps the president of the united states. and as joe pointed out to you, these things don't necessarily rise to that level. the state department may not know, but they may not know. but just set that aside, and take a look at this in the larger political context. right now this is a distraction for the white house that doesn't want to be answering questions about what did you know and when did you know it, and also get in an internal administration disagreement, say, between the state department, the white house saying the state department knew, then you have
to ask questions about the judgment of the state department, why did they turn down the security requests, one explanation given to the committee was that they turned it down because they wanted to train the libyans to do this themselves. so you get embroiled in a whole discussion that allows mitt romney to say, you know what, they're not really in charge the way they should be in charge. they're not leading the way they should lead, which is part of his whole re-election theme. so for the white house i think this is a story they would rather not be talking about today. >> we need to be talking about it, we need to be asking the tough questions and, you know, speaking of tough, we talked about the vice president, going on the attack last night and he may have scored some points on this one. let me play something. this is just biden responding to paul ryan's criticism of the government stimulus package. >> he sent me two letters saying, by the way, can you send me some stimulus money for
companies here in the state of wisconsin. we sent millions of dollars. you know why he said -- >> you did ask for stimulus money, consider ek money, correct? >> on two occasions we asked for constituents applying for grants. >> what a debate. did biden help the president's case last night, after the president's tepid performance last week? >> right, he was -- he was sort of the polar opposite of the president. if the president had no passion, joe biden had all passion, all the time. and his job last night as we were saying after the debate was to kind of right the ship, the democratic ship. and i think he did that. because for all of the base of the democratic party that was really disenchanted with the president's performance, disappointed, i think joe biden gave them something to root for. i will say that paul ryan also passed a threshold last night,
which is that he seemed very credible, very fluent on foreign policy, which some people were really concerned about, and don't forget, paul ryan was the first test of mitt romney. mitt romney chose him to be his running mate. and so it was very important to mitt romney himself that paul ryan be a credible contender sitting next to joe biden, who is a very experienced politician, and also has been vice president. >> gloria, you've been doing this a while. was that the most incredible vice presidential debate you've seen? >> it was. i must say the anticipation was more for sarah palin for me because we were sort of interested to see, again, joe biden, how he would deal with sarah palin, and whether she could actually stand toe to toe with him. the bar was very low for sarah palin and she surpassed what people expected. this was so interesting, of course, because joe biden essentially had to save the
democratic party or so it seemed. and the president had to watch him very closely and probably pretty beholden today, but you have the town hall coming up that candy is going to moderate. >> let me tell everyone about it. gloria borger, thank you. coming out of here this vp debate and heading into tuesday, the second presidential debate, which voters count the most here, does everyone really have a voice? this is one of the questions cnn is asking. so this sunday, i want you to watch cnn's special report, voters in america, who counts, sunday night 8:00 eastern and as gloria pointed out, the next debate, moderated by candy crowley. as the president and mitt romney get ready for round two, cnn's ali velshi is telling each man, cut the bs and get serious about this one thing, ali explains next. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. please talk personally about this if you could. >> how each man's response is
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specifically 6%. how exactly do they plan to do that? here is what they said last night. >> get america energy independent in north america by the end of the decade. help people who are hurting with the skills they need to get the jobs they want. get this deficit and debt under control to prevent a debt crisis. make more things in america and sell them overseas and champion small businesses. don't raise taxes on small businesses, they're our job creators. >> they get out of the way. if they get out of the way and let us pass the tax cut for the middle class and make it permanent. they get out of the way and let us allow 14 million people who are struggling to stay in their homes because their mortgages are upside down but they never missed a mortgage payment. >> ali velshi is our chief business correspondent. ali velshi, welcome back. unemployment below 6%, to quote you, in your op-ed on cnn money, no more bs, please. care to extrapolate? >> right, so let's put the
unemployment number aside for a second. that is a nonpartisan number, that's congressional budget office they say if nothing changed, we would have an unemployment rate of about 6.3% by the end of 2016. the end of the next presidential term. but as we have learned in the last week, the unemployment rate measures different things. why don't we talk about how many jobs we need to create. both parties, both presidential candidates, have come up with this number, 12 million jobs, in four years. which is a good number. but it would be 50% higher than the current rate of job growth. and as you heard there, i was listening very carefully, how exactly are you going to do this. there were a lost words but i didn't hear a lot of facts. we heard paul ryan say is reduce taxes. what you heard joe biden say is reduce taxes on the middle class. he also said get out of the way and let us pass the jobs bill. both of them are kind of right, but nobody can come up with a formula that says they're actually going to produce 12 million jobs over five years and that's what i say when i talk about the bs. come up with a plan that actually does it. >> i'm not trying to get you
fired up, maybe i am a little bit because i no know this 12 million jobs number irks you. let me play this again. this is paul ryan doubling down on that number last night. >> yep. >> when could you get it below 6%. >> that's what our entire premise for our growth is all about. get the economy growing at 4%. creating 12 million jobs over the next four years. >> it is virtually impossible. it happened, what, three years looking back in history. >> three times in history. >> can't even count world war ii. >> correct. you can't count the first one, world war ii. only three times have we created 12 million jobs in four years. the last two times are irrelevant. one under president reagan, the second time under president clinton. we have 1.3% growth. this week the imf and world bank both dropped their growth estimates for the next two years. the point is, this is kind of like when people took mortgages at 3% and somebody said, oh, they'll never go up that
mortgage won't go up. it went up. and then you said, i didn't plan for that. what both of these parties are saying is that, you know, we're going to count on economic growth, we'll lower taxes and goose economic growth and that's how we're going to create jobs. it is a little nonspecific. it sounds really great in this desperate environment where the intractable problem of our time is job creation. >> how do we do it? >> just because it sounds good, doesn't mean it is great. there are a combination of a number of things that will create jobs over the next few years and the government can do something to help in those areas. one is housing. the government is doing a great deal already keeping the interest rates low with the fed. that is probably the golden lining around the silver cloud. number two, both candidates are very similar on their investment in energy, more energy will create more jobs. one of the biggest job creators around here. clean energy, dirty energy, point is energy is a big area. number three, this is a particularly democratic position and that is an infrastructure bank. that's where the government puts some money in the rest of the money comes from the private
sector and they fund things like bridges, high speed rail, taking on the projects. a lot of republicans don't like that because they think that's government directing spending that the free market should direct. but guess what the free market got us? no high speed rail, bridges that crumble, an electrical grid out of date. that might be a really good role for government. the bottom line is, i'm suggesting all that to you, i put it together, some other people have, it is not coming from the government. >> since we're talking housing, i want to point out, you saw this i don't know if our viewers have, the headline from jpmorgan chase ceo jamie dimond, we believe the housing market has turned the corner. has it? >> that's a big deal for them because most of their record profit by the way they had, they reported today, came from loans, a lot more loans. look, it turned a corner because there say combination of low interest rates and low home prices that buyers are starting to think it is going to come up.
i think that probably stays in place for a little while unless something goes wrong and interest rates start to soar. but, yeah, for the moment, everybody i'm talking to, companies, people, car companies, that sell trucks, telling me the same thing. construction, new building and renovation are way up because people are buying houses. that is good. >> if they buy, as you point out, that could be a way to create some of these -- >> a lot of jobs in this country. >> ali velshi, thank you. have a great weekend. you can watch ali on "your money" this weekend, saturday, 1:00 eastern, sunday, 3:00 p.m., don't miss him. you heard a lot of numbers thrown at you last night. i know. especially when it came to medicare. fear not, because we have our fact checkers working and they're very clear here, you will hear who was not, i repeat, was not telling the truth. [ male announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role
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you know this, they call paul ryan wonky. at least for one night you could say the same about joe biden. why? they threw a lot of numbers at you, especially when it comes to medicare. but were both sides truthful? tom foreman with a 3-d fact check. >> brooke, as i'm sure you know, medicare is a government health insurance program mostly for people over the age of 65, about 50 million americans rely on this program, and its long term financial future is pretty shaky right now. but, that's not the scary part. the scary part is that each campaign says the other side's plans for dealing with that are just plain terrible. >> obama care takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. >> all you seniors out there, have you been denied choices,
have you lost medicare advantage? >> they haven't put a credible solution on the table. >> their ideas are old and their ideas are bad and they eliminate the guarantee of medicare. >> this is their essential claim, that my opponent will destroy medicare, but is that really true? let's look at the facts and consider it. i'll bring in some tools here and look at the white house plan to begin with. this is the landscape they're dealing with. the cost of medicare is going to generally increase over the next ten years until it reaches about a trillion dollars annually them want to reduce that by about 10%. that's the orange part here, that's the part they're cutting out. now, their opponents look at that and say that's real care for real people that you're getting rid of, and you just can't do that. the white house says hold on, no, it's not. that's a reduction in the amount of money we're paying to the administrative cost of hospitals and insurance programs. they say that is waste. we can get rid of it and we
should get rid of it. that's the white house take on things. now if you bring in the romney/ryan plan, you'll see the landscape is just the same, they have the same increase, they also want to reduce it by about 10%, but they want to rely on the private sector, not government, to get that done. in a word, they're going for vouchers. they don't like calling it vouchers, but that's rally what it is. if you're on medicare, what happens is the government pays medicare, medicare pays the hospital, the hospital takes care of you. under this plan, the government would pay you and you would decide if you wanted to buy into medicare or into private insurance. that would create competition between the two and their theory this and is how you get at the very same waste that the white house wants to get at. these are two very complicated, huge programs. there are critics on both sides who say this plan won't work or that plan won't work or this plan will leave people stranded or that plan will leave people stranded. but the truth is, it is complicated.
it is hard to deal with all that. if we go with the basic claim, somehow this is about destroying medicare that is simply false. that is a scare tactic no matter which side is saying it. so why are they saying it so much? all you have to do is look at the map and you know, across the country, the baby boomers are getting older. they're becoming a bigger percentage of the voting population fast, all those dark states is where the percentage is highest. look at florida, battleground state, more than 17% of the population there is over the age of 65. these are engaged voters. they're voters who show up when it is time to vote. and they're very concerned about medicare. even though both sides say neither plan is going to affect people over the age of 65 right now. they're engaged on this issue. and whichever side wins the medicare debate will probably win a lot of senior votes. >> tom foreman, thank you. barbs, finger pointing, one
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i have a lifetime of experience. so i know how important that is. what a debate that was. no shortage of finger pointing during the debate. check out this exchange during the discussion of jobs and the economy. >> they talk about this great recession as if it fell out of the sky, like, oh, my goodness, where did it come from? it came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, at the same time put a prescription drug benefit on the credit card, a trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy. >> let's not forget they came in with one party control. when barack obama was elected, his party controlled everything, they had the ability to do everything of their choosing and look at where we are right now. >> craig crawford, let me bring you in. you are a prolific tweeter to the wee hours last night, loved
reading your tweets. >> i can't keep up with you. >> i try. i try. i want to talk about the presidential race with you in a second. first the debate. i wasn't done. after 90 minutes, i wanted to keep watching. in terms of undecided voters, do you think they got the clarity they were looking for? >> you're right, i haven't had that much fun watching a debate since arnold schwarzenegger and arianna huffington. they debated without a moderator. i've never seen a debate i didn't want to end. i don't know that undecides saw it that way, those of us in the political game, we like to see the fights and enjoy the back and forth. undecided voters historically react poorly to much negativity and emotion, that's why the aides are telling the candidates, you know, just ripping the personalities out of them, telling them, don't take any chances, don't make any mistakes. that's what was refreshing about joe biden. he tossed all that advice aside and showed us who he was, showed
us some skin. >> and vice presidential debate, that's a debate where you're watching you want to see who, heaven forbid, they have to leave the country. you want to see who can step up. you said that person was biden, why? >> i think in the end of the day, biden was the one who is really answering directly the specifically a lot of the questions. some of it a lot of spin. some of it a little off on the facts, but he was being more direct. what i saw in ryan was somebody who was tutored, a tutored novice on foreign policy, clearly, not answering questions. all the talk about biden laughing, why shouldn't he laugh? i think the moderator should have laughed when she was trying to get ryan to be specific about how they would pay for tax cuts. 20% tax cut reduction, how they would pay for that without blowing up the deficit. he didn't answer. his answer was bipartisanship this is the leader of one of the most mindlessly partisan majority parties in congress i've ever seen. >> talking to ali velshi, he
said both parties are guilty of not being specific in terms of all the job creation there, talking about, talking and pontificating, but lacking in specifics. but i want to talk presidential race here. let me read something you blog about. quote, the race is about as authentic as wwe's monday night raw, a theatrical exchange of punches but without the agreed upon outcome. pro wrestling? why? >> i love my monday night raw. and, you know, absolutely. this campaign has been one of the most vapid i've ever seen. i agree with ali, the democratic side is not as specific as we need to hear, understand what they're going to do about job growth. but i find the romney side just completely lacking in anything that we can put our hands on. and they don't do press conferences, they never submit the questions. except in debates, ryan the other day, when a local reporter, which only interviews they do because they're usually pretty soft, a local reporter
actually tried to press him on specifics and he got mad and walked out. he was so outraged at being put to the griddle there. and that is the problem with this campaign is its theatrical, we're focusing on gaffes and laughs and it is not just the media's fault. it is what the campaign drives us to focus on as well, though that doesn't get us off the hook. >> i saw the video and you could ask where is joe biden in terms of giving interviews. we would like to talk to him as well. craig crawford, thank you very much. i appreciate it. i'll look for your tweets. in the meantime, preparations on for tuesday and cnn's candy crowley will be moderating this debate number two between the president and mitt romney, live coverage begins right here at 7:00 eastern. one way to get out of l.a.x., take the shuttle. hands down one of the coolest things i've ever seen.
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the shuttle "endeavour" traveled 123 million miles in space, going 17 million miles an hour. today, not so fast. because right now the shuttle, the retired shuttle is chugging along, right now it is staying put in a parking lot, it will be chugging along 12 miles in two days as it winds through los angeles to its new home at the california science center. and, guess who i have on the phone. mark kelly, the last commander
of the space shuttle "endeavour." mark kelly, welcome, a pleasure to be talking to you. and, first question here, out of the gate, did you ever think in a million years you would be seeing this shuttle from which you probably experienced the highlights of your career rolling down the streets of l.a.? >> no, brooke, i didn't. i've flown on "endeavour" twice, first time ten years ago, and, you know, it has got -- it has got a long journey ahead of it still, 12 miles that i think -- less than 2 miles an hour. >> creeping through and an incredible sight for perhaps astronauts to be on the streets of los angeles as you point out. you were on the first "endeavour" mission and also the final one. do you mind sharing a life highlight from your time on the shuttle? >> well, certainly, you know, any space flight is, you know, a pinnacle of a career for an
astronaut. i was fortunate enough to do that four times. having been the commander the last flight of that vehicle, i'm happy to see it go into the california science center. it is a difficult trip, a lot of stuff had to be moved. >> a lot of trees down. >> company time warner invested a lot of money and volunteers to get it there over the next couple of days. >> just this week, mark, we saw the first commercial mission that the spacex rocket reached the iss, first with cargo, perhaps eventually with the hopes of ferrying astronauts. just from a nasa veteran perspective, how you to view the private companies picking up where the shuttles left off? >> well, you know, originally i was not a fan of the constellation program, we were pretty far into that, and this is the follow-up program after we made a decision to retire the space shuttle. but, you know, you got to give spacex a huge amount of credit. they have rendezvoused and docked with the space station twice. once just a couple of days ago. they have delivered cargo.
they'll be returning cargo again. that's something even the russian space agency can't do. so they have done a great job. i'm hopeful to see them flying people in the next four, five years, whatever their timeline is. i think they're going to be successful at it. we're continuing to move forward with space exploration. we got a lockheed martin building owe ryan thbuild ing oweryan going into deep space. >> what you like to hear from the candidates with regard to the future of space travel? >> i don't like, typically, is that we change directions all the time. you know, we get started on one program, and for some reason either, you know, the white house, congress or nasa typically cancels it or decides to do something different. i think it is important we stay focused, stay the course, you know. i hope we continue with the
commercial cargo and commercial program and also invest in a deep space exploration and maybe some day, one of these kids that see "endeavour," look up at it, at the california science center, will be that person that walk on the planet mars. that would be a great thing to see. >> maybe a kid who would like to read mousetronaut, your new children's book, based upon your first trip in the space shuttle. you were in charge of mice, mark kelly, in flying the shuttle. can you tell me about this one intrepid mouse. >> yes, i was the pilot of space shuttle "endeavour" on my first flight, but i was also the guy who had to make sure that the mice were eating their food and drinking their water and they were okay. we had 18 mice on board, 17 of them were not happy about this experience. but one little guy seemed to get it, float over and get his water and food, every so often seemed to do a flip. so mousetronaut the book is based on that little mouse. but it is fictional and he goes
on to, you know, be part of the space shuttle mission. >> and finally, you're in l.a., talking at the commercial break, asking you if you would pop out and see the endeavor. do you think you will tonight and what do you say to a kid tugging on your arm and saying, hey, are you mark kelly? >> well, usually, you know, i say, yeah, and i'll ask them, do you want to be an astronaut some day and tell them how to do that. i hope to get out there today. i'm hoping to get gabby out here at some point. she was a really big fan of the space shuttle program. she was the chairwoman of the space and aeronautics subcommittee in congress. hopefully one day, not too soon, when it is fully on display we'll get her out here as well. >> we're looking at pictures of her from i believe this is from the dnc. she's doing well, right? >> she's doing really well. we -- nasa was very kind to fly "endeavour" over tucson so she could see it one last time. that's the first time i saw it since i climbed out of it on june 1st after landing it at the
kennedy space center. i'm excited to see it again tonight. >> thank you for calling in. we appreciate it. we'll have more live pictures, we promise, from los angeles, from "endeavour" coming up. for now, we got to take a quick break. be right back. of the old and combined it with modern technology. together you get quality services on your terms, with total customer support. legalzoom documents have been accepted in all 50 states, and they're backed by a 100% satisfaction guarantee. so go to legalzoom.com today and see for yourself. it's law that just makes sense. i have a cold... i took dayquil, but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] truth is, dayquil doesn't work on runny noses. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have an antihistamine. really? [ male announcer ] really. alka-seltzer plus cold and cough fights your worst cold symptoms, plus has a fast acting antihistamine to relieve your runny nose. [ sighs ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus. ♪ oh what a relief it is! ♪ [ male announcer ] try new alka-seltzer plus severe allergy to treat allergy symptoms, plus sinus congestion, and pain.
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there were a lot of items to look at, moments to watch, in the joe biden paul ryan debate last night. key among them, how should the united states respond to the ongoing crisis in syria. we never did get a clear answer from that from either of them, but the vice president and congressman ryan certainly quarrelled over what president obama has done thus far. take a look. >> what more would they do other than put american boots to the ground? the last thing america needs is to get in on another ground war in the middle east, requiring tens of thousands, if not well over 100,000 american forces. >> nobody is proposing to send troops to syria. american troops. now, let me say it this way, how would we do things differently?
we wouldn't refer to bashar al assad as a reformer when he's killing his own civilians with his russian provided weapons. we wouldn't be outsourcing our foreign policy to the united states giving vladimir putin veto power over our efforts to try and deal with this issue. >> cnn international's hala gorani with me again after this debate. i got goose bumps or chills when martha raddatz said what if bashar al assad doesn't go away, but they both agree no boots on the ground in syria. >> looking back and not looking forward. paul ryan is talking about what potentially a romney/ryan ticket would have done differently if they had been in charge, identify rebel groups, identify freedom fighters, perhaps help those that the united states might want to push forward as far as the future leadership of syria is concerned a little bit earlier than the obama
administration has. but as far as plans for what happens from this point on, no. and there is no appetite from the united states or quite frankly any country in the western world for boots on the ground in syria. as we heard from the vice president, joe biden, this is not libya. it is a much more complicated scenario. >> i want to get to the libya comparison in a minute. ryan claimed that the administration referred to assad as a reformer. a reformer. to your best -- >> no, this has been -- it has not. this has been fact checked by several sources including cnn. the word reformer was used by hillary clinton in march of 2011. and in reference to bashar al assad. many of the members of congress of both parties she said have gone it syria in recent months said they believe he's a reformer. now, of both parties. and you to remember something about bashar al assad about the uprising against him in the year 2000, 2001 when he took over from his father, he was viewed as potentially a reformer by
many people in western countries. clearly in the last 19 months this notion that in any way he's a reformer has gone out the window. >> 30 seconds, point of contention, that why the u.s. stepped in in libya but not in syria? >> well, we heard it from joe bid biden, but not just joe biden. these are observers, xerts w ex have gone to syria, a bigger country, more populated. the syrian military is stronger, no split between east and west as there was in libya going in. and air support alone probably wouldn't do it. that said, something needs to be done, many people say, what will it be? that's a big question because people are dying. >> final presidential debate on foreign policy specifically, hala gorani, thank you very much. now, joe biden, heads up, we're watching and waiting this will be first time we will have heard from him since the debate last night. speaking for the first time in, here we go, live pictures, don't see him yet, in paul ryan's territory, lacrosse, wisconsin. waiting for him, watching. be right back. customer erin swenson bought from us online today.
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here we go on this friday, top of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. mitt romney, mitt romney is off and running today with a new accusation against the white house. this is fallout from last night's vp debate. here is romney speaking early this afternoon in richmond, virginia. hear the crowd chanting mitt romney. vice president biden got it very wrong last night in the back and forth about the question number one, libya, and that deadly attack on our consulate on september 11th. take a listen. >> the vice president directly contradicted the sworn testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. and we need to understand exactly what happened as opposed to brushing this aside. when the vice president of the united states directly contradicts the testimony, sworn
testimony of state department officials, american citizens have a right to know just what's going on. >> that was mitt romney. let's back track into last night's debate. we will hear from the vice president. we will hear him explaining the administration's evolving accounts of what happened in benghazi, september 11th, the day terrorists killed u.s. ambassador christopher stevens. the vice president is saying that as new facts have become available, u.s. intelligence has changed what it is telling the obama administration. here he was. >> as they learned more facts about exactly what happened, they changed their assessment. that's why there is also an investigation headed by tom pickering, a leading diplomat from the reagan years who is doing an investigation as to whether or not there are any lapses what the lapses were, so that they will never happen again. >> and they wanted more security there. >> well, we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> hear that twice, we.
vice president saying we. that may be the bone of contention here, we were not told that u.s. diplomats in libya wanted more security before that fatal attack. romney, as we just heard, is saying biden contradicted sworn testimony from state department officials. but romney didn't say which state department officials and he didn't say specifically which testimony. here's what we can surmise. we can surmise he met lieutenant colonel andrew wood and the state department's eric nordstrom who led a security team in libya. they testified just this past wednesday that they asked the state department for extra security, but were denied. today, the white house is saying that request never made it to the president, never made it to the vice president, nor should it have. here he was, jay carney. >> -- no one who testified about this matter suggested that requests for additional security were made to the president or
the white house. so these are issues appropriately that are handled by security professionals at the state department. that's what he was talking about. >> so, again, romney is saying biden contradicted sworn testimony, the white house says, no way. john king, live for us now in washington, our chief national correspondent, and, john, mitt romney, he is charging the vice president with contradicting sworn -- congressional testimony from this week, should he have done a little more research before making a charge of such brevity or does that even matter? >> governor romney's right, it appears. now, you could have an argument about whether the vice president knew or the president knew which is what the white house is saying, but the state department testified that it received requests, so the state department officials testified they requested more security, the state department now, brooke, does not deny those requests were made. the question is where did it all get caught up in the bureaucracy? were they rejected, just being waited to be acted on? this is a question about who is responsible more than anything
else. governor romney sees an opening because what the vice president said in the debate last night was not exactly true. said we were not aware. this is going to come down to a question of what is the president's job and the vice president's job and i would put it to you this way. here is what the romney campaign is saying today if president obama can run ads blaming mitt romney for things that happened at bain capital after he left, why won't he take responsibility for things that happened in the administration. horrible things like this happen. and the information does not always and especially not quickly make its way up the chain of command as high as the president or the vice president. they're still the accountable ceos of the american government. >> we'll keep pushing forward on that. and asking the questions as you point out. it is very much so a huge topic on the trail and as we saw, question number one in the debate last night. to the debate, just to get a little flavor, i want to play something, vice president joe biden and congressman paul ryan and as you know, you watched, it got pretty testy.
here is biden saying the only way team romney can pay for its 20% tax cut is to wipe out the deductions geared toward middle class earners. take a look. >> the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes is cut the mortgage deduction for middle class people, cut the health care deduction middle class people, take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college, that's why they're -- >> he is wrong about that? >> he is wrong about that. you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve the important preferences for middle class taxpayers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it is mathematically possible. it has been done before. it is what we're proposing. >> it has never been done. >> did either side or both sides accomplish what they set out to do last night? >> both sides did set out what they accomplished to do last night. the vice president came in first and foremost with the mission of re-energizing democrats who got lethargic, disappointed, some worse than that after the president's lackluster performance in debate number
one. there is no question the vice president energized the liberal base of the party, they saw a guy fighting, fighting, fighting. paul ryan came in to keep the energy among conservatives. no question he did that. what was fascinating about that tax fairness party there, brooke that particular part you just played and then the parts before and after is when you're watching our focus group last night, that was biden's highest moment and paul ryan's highest moment with undecided voters and yet they were arguing exactly the opposite thing. >> how about that? >> why did the focus group love it? i think the focus group loved it, two guys were passionate about that they believed in, talking about substance and making their argument. if you're an undecided voter and love joe biden saying we need to tax the rich more and paul ryan saying, no, we don't, i don't know how you make your decision. >> great for both bases, but neighbor not for undecided voters. two more debates to go. a lot more to watch and listen for. john king, i love that debate. i thought it was fascinating. i wanted more of it. john king, thank you very much. speaking of the vice president, we're watching, we're waiting for him, live pictures here,
lacrosse, wisconsin. this is home turf for his opponent, paul ryan. this will be the first time we will hear from the vice president since that debate last night. we're keeping an eye on that. in the meantime, take a look at this. the emotions ran high from anger to sadness to humor. i'll speak live with an expert who used facial recognition technology to track the candidates' expressions. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. please talk personally about this if you could. >> how each man's response is scoring among divided catholics. plus, all right, ladies, not a space geek. you are about to be. a planet made of diamonds, twice the size of earth, just discovered. and speaking of space, the man who led "endeavour's" final mission joins me as the space shuttle makes its final move on earth. [ male announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role
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chance in life. >> my religion defines who i am and i've been a practicing catholic my whole life. and it is particularly informed my social doctrine, catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who can't take care of themselves. people who need help. >> let's take the controversial issue of abortion. ryan and biden's views could not be more different. >> now, i believe that life begins at conception. that's why those -- those are the reasons why i'm pro-life. i understand this is a difficult issue. and respect people who don't agree with me on this, but the policy of a romney administration will be to oppose abortion with the exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother. >> with regard to abortion, i accept my church's position on abortion as a -- we call a
defeaty doctrine. life begins at conception, that's the church's judgment. i just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the congressman. >> now, the push is on for the catholic vote. according to this pew forum on religion and public life, neither obama nor romney has a consistent lead among catholic voters as a whole. you see they're each polling at 40%. back in 2004, more than half of catholic voters chose president bush, even though his opponent, john kerry, is catholic. in 2008, more than half of catholic voters chose obama. flash forward to this year, both parties had america's highest profile catholic, new york archbishop timothy dolan give the closing. and i want to bring in eric mara
podi. you live this, study this. conservative catholics would never vote for obama and biden because of their views on abortion, more progressive catholics question the morality of the romney/ryan budget choices. which do you believe is the more predominant view among american catholics? >> i think it is close to split dead even on this. i traveled around the country and talked to people and report on this all over. we see a pretty even divide and i think the two gentlemen we saw on the stage, vice president biden and congressman ryan are the perfect embodiment of each of those two sides. you know, with congressman ryan, he's the kind of guy who might be out on the march for life in washington, coming down the road here in a few months in washington where they're protesting against abortion. vice president biden, he's the kind of guy who might be on that bus tour with the nuns on the bus going to congressman ryan's office to protest his budget. i think if we looked at the church as a whole in america, it would be a lot closer to split on those two sides. >> so if that's split, let's talk about this, the fact that critics say both biden and ryan,
they tend to pick and choose, they favor parts of catholicism and reject the parts they don't like, some say biden is -- abortion and same sex marriage. on the flip side, critics say ryan isn't strict when it comes to his views on poverty. what parts of catholicism do you think and traveling the country, talking to these people, matters most to catholics? >> i'll give you the term here, cafeteria catholics, they pick some of this and pick some of that. what really is at the core of this is both ryan and biden are politicians and not priests. they're not necessarily beholden to all the teachings of the church. i talked to a cardinal about this not too long ago. one thing he told me was, as the pastors of the church, it is our job to deliver from the pulpit and teach the teachings. it is the congrant's job to accept them and understand them. it doesn't mean they'll get them right every time. you have teachings that fall across party lines, that don't
line up perfectly. that's what we're seeing here. people say the republican is picking and choosing, he likes abortion but doesn't like the social teachings on caring for the poor and vice versa. i think that's what we see. and where catholics say it is more important to them, i think has a lot more to do with where they register with what party, republican or democrat. that's where i think it lines up. >> cafeteria catholics. >> again, that's purr juror tiff, don't just throw that out there. >> of course. i think that could apply to other groups as well. thank you so much. folks, a quick reminder, read all the stories on our belief blog, cnn.com/belief. and now, after flying millions of miles in space, there she is, "endeavour" on the move again. this is a tremendous event today and tomorrow, happening here. we'll take you live to l.a. for the shuttle's final and much slower paced mission. wouldn't it be nice if there was an easier, less-expensive option than using a traditional lawyer? well, legalzoom came up with a better way. we took the best of the old and combined it with modern technology.
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the space shuttle "endeavour" flew nearly 123 million miles in space, going more than 17,000 miles per hour. now it is not going anywhere at the moment. just hanging out in a parking lot, taking a little break before its slow journey meandering through the streets of los angeles. this is the parking lot, if you're in the neighborhood, the westchester neighborhood of l.a. it is headed for its final home, the california science center. and we have you covered today because we have john zarrella and casey wian, there they are, joining us from los angeles. john zarrella, let me join with you. we took the shuttle landing live on the show a week or two ago and the crowd reaction, that piggyback ride was so huge. now that it is sitting there, what are people saying?
>> look, well you know, look at this. i talked to some of the people in the crowd here, and really you kind of get just one word answers like, wow, you know, this is unbelievable, wow, right? right? >> wow, wow. >> that's what kind of answers you get from the people when they see it here. it is such a spectacular view when you have "endeavour" there. this is not supposed to be a, quote, public staging area here. they drove it about -- brought it -- towed it three miles this morning before rush hour, in the dark, from l.a.x., just three miles from here. and over to this staging area, really just to park it. they did some things down the road, where they had to move more power lines and get other things ready and reconfigure this area here where it is sitting right now. they did all of that. and while they have been doing that, nine hours here, great opportunity for hundreds and hundreds of people to show up. you know, brooke, we have been around the shuttles a long time,
and i've covered them landing. i've covered them taking off. i sat up there in, you know, in the cockpit of "endeavour," but never would i have ever believed in my lifetime would i see a shuttle going down the streets of los angeles. so it has been a spectacular opportunity, you know, for all these folks here to get a real close-up look. and from where they're standing, you can see, it is about as close as you can get to a space shuttle without either flying in one as an astronaut or working in one as a space shuttle worker. >> you see all its glory, marks and all. i was talking to mark kelly who commanded the last mission on "endeavour," i asked him, did you ever think in a million years you would see this thing on the streets of l.a. he said, you know, heck no. we thank you and thank you for all your coverage of the space shuttle. casey wian, you're in the crowd as well. i hear you have a little show and tell. there it is over your right shield
shoulder. look at that. casey wian, can you hear me? >> hey, brooke. i'm going to be walking alongside this space shuttle "endeavour" as it makes its journey. the final ten miles of its journey over the next two days. cnn has been granted unique access to get behind police lines and get this close to the space shuttle. what i want to talk about is the platform the shuttle is on. you can see that, and what people wonder why it has been sitting here for nine hours. these workers have been in the process of reconfiguring that platform. it was narrow when it left the los angeles international airport. they have now widened it out, so it can actually travel over the center dividers on the roadway for the next ten miles or so of this journey. you can see that the wheels that the shuttle is on that this platform is on, each of those wheels can move around individually, sort of like a -- the wheels on a grocery cart. and that means this whole mechanism can go sideways, backwards and forwards. what is really interesting is
this is all going to be controlled by one man who is operating a joy stick. it is going to be like one of the coolest video games you've ever seen. he'll be moving this thing upwards, down, back and forth to try to get over all the obstacles over the last ten miles of this journey. some of these obstacles, only going to have a couple of inches to spare over the next couple of days. and the man who actually sort of put this whole engineering project together said he's been losing sleep every night worrying about the clearance that they're going to have getting by some of the intersections. and when it passed one of them, he'll rest easy. brooke? >> coming to l.a. in a couple of weeks and i was wishing it was today. casey wian, incredible. thank you, both. stay with cnn. we'll be traveling along with that space shuttle and hopefully you'll be sending us your fabulous pictures from along the shuttle route. back to politics and my next guest suggested before last night's debate, the vp candidate should focus on speaking to a certain generation. he did make that pitch? did it work?
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many of you have probably had some kind of discussion today about last night's testy but incredible couldn't turn your, you know, head away from that vice presidential debate. so joining me now in new york, they're both there, side by side, my favorite political couple, margaret hoover and john avalon, who i am sure perhaps over breakfast and lunch and in between have been, you know, going back and forth over this debate. so, guys, welcome. and i want to pick up with both of you where we left off yesterday. margaret hoover, i begin with you. your whole thing was about how you wanted to see paul ryan, you know, make this generational pitch to the millennials, capitalize on what the obama folks did in 2008. did he do it? was he successful? >> no you know, brooke, he didn't do it. he didn't read my piece. he didn't take it to heart. >> what? >> but, listen, one of the things i think paul ryan has the ability to do, which i say yesterday is speak
aspirationally to the next generation. he has a message that appeals to what will be the economic future. i hoped he would do that last night. he didn't do it, but he did speak compellingly about debts and deficits and the impending debt crisis. he did speak to that area, which is his strength. but i think in terms of -- i think he was clearly trying to just hold his own against joe biden, one of the most experienced debaters and when i was joking earlier, probably the most esteemed debating society of the world in the u.s. senate. he held his own but didn't go further, didn't take it all the way home and speak aspirationally to the folk and the kids. >> john avalon, let us into your first conversation out of the debate. what is first thing you today your wife? that you can share. >> we disagree on this one. not, i think in the assessment, but biden really outperformed. no question. i thought paul ryan had an edge going into the debate for a lot of reasons. but joe biden showed why he's on
the ticket, rallied democrats, learned the lessons of barack obama's mistakes in the first debate, and instead he was smiling, intensely engaged, and every time there was a statement he thought was a falsehood, he pushed back. there were times he interrupted too much, no question. but he made a case, he made it forcefully, and i think he made paul ryan look like what he is at the end of the day, the chairman of the budget committee. someone not with as much international experience or debating experience as joe biden had. so joe biden brought it home last night, a lot of democrats are feeling good this morning. >> i didn't think i would like that seated format, that, you know, tiny table, i think that was really sort of conducive to that back and forth and to some of the back and forth which was fantastic. so much of the debate was send terd on foreign policy and a lot of talk about that, question right off the bat was about libya and then syria and iran and afghanistan. and, yes, that was very much so in martha raddatz's wheel house, the moderator, but you talked about the age gap, john. biden showed his chops when it came to foreign policy.
>> he sure did. that's always been considered one of joe biden's strong suits. while it was clear that paul ryan was very tutored on the subject, he didn't have the same chops. when martha raddatz did a great job moderating, she pushed for specifics, when it was the question of -- don't just criticize the obama administration for syria, for iran, for afghanistan, say what you would do differently. in the future. he really had a tough time coming up with specifics. i think that's been a failing throughout the campaign. there has been a lot of attack and distract. and so i think she really was able to puncture that in a way that was constructive. this was a substantive debate and to that extent, a great debate across the board. >> margaret, look ahead with me. next week, the town hall, next tuesday, candy crowley moderates, excited about that, but a different format. because it will be to people in the audience, asking the questions, you talk to pundits they are saying advantage obama. so how does romney win that one, margaret? >> i don't think either candidate is really particularly -- i think president obama say bit better on the stump than romney is.
romney is going to be able to engage his people. he's been practicing. he knows all the stakes -- if all the stakes were on the first debate, they're doubling down, this is the -- this debate will determine whether they're going to go and finish strong or not. this is higher stakes for romney now than he did in the first one. i think actually, you know, i think romney and obama are probably coming in pretty even handed in terms of their skill sets, being able to communicate one on one with the individuals who are in the hall and being able to be relatable, understand the issues and communicate policy issues that are complex and a simple way to ordinary folks. i actually think they're coming in pretty even on this one, even though the momentum is behind romney. >> 20 seconds, avalon. i hear you. is that translation, honey, i disagree? >> i do disagree. obama will feed off the crowds, he's a competitor. more importantly this debate is about domestic issues, noneconomic domestic issues. you saw in the abortion
conversation last night it was civil, substantive, but that clear contrast is a problem when it comes out to republicans reaching out to women, for example. >> let's do this again on monday. >> sounds great. >> margaret hoover and john avalon, thank you very much. we're hearing joe biden, first time, we'll be seeing him, hearing from him, here is his wife, jill biden. this is lacrosse, wisconsin, let me say it again, this is home turf for his opponent, paul ryan. we're going to sneak a quick break in. as soon as we see joe biden, we'll take him live. when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level.
lacrosse, wisconsin, the vice president, i was just told the crowd booed as he started talking debate and mentioned the words paul ryan. let's listen. >> anyone who watched that debate, i don't think there is any doubt that congressman ryan and i, governor romney and the president, we have a fundamentally different vision for america and quite frankly a fundamentally different value
set. and the fact is that the differences that we have about the future of this country are quite frankly profound, as profound as any differences any presidential campaign that i've observed, that i've been involved in. the truth is that i think people were listening. and if they were, they know what some of those differences are, and they know how those differences can fundamentally affect the direction of this country. one of those areas was an area of afghanistan. i made it absolutely clear on behalf of the president and i that we are leaving afghanistan in 2014, period. there is no ifs, ands or buts. we have trained -- we have trained over 315,000 afghan military personnel. it is their responsibility to step up to their defense of their nation.
we went for al qaeda. we went for bin laden. we accomplished that goal. and now -- and now it is time. and they're willing -- it is time for them to stand up as we draw down. congressman ryan, he made it very clear that governor romney has a very different view, though he says he thinks we should get out in 2014, although he says that makes sense, he says we should never have announced that, and i might add had we not, the afghans would never step up. we never should have announced that and when asked, do you guarantee you get out, he said it depends. i'm serious. you heard it. it depends on a situation on the ground. it depends. well, ladies, it depends on nothing other than a date as far as we're concerned. it is time for the afghanis to take care of their own responsibility. but like -- but like almost everything, it depends.
it depends on which day you asked him the question. it depends. it depends on the circumstances. but it wasn't just on foreign policy it depends. it was also their attitude about what constitutes a fair tax code, what is a reasonable budget, whether or not they're cutting the budget. congressman ryan is saying even though he passed the ryan budget, through the house of representatives, it didn't become law, which drastically cuts the budget across the board 19%, eviscerating education and so many other things, he says, no, no, that's not a cut, it's just a smaller increase. >> fresh off the debate last night, we now see the vice president, lacrosse, wisconsin, as i pointed out, you know, the -- who was hoping to be the vice president paul ryan from janesville, wisconsin. this it his home turf and the vice president gregarious, known for his foreign policy chops, he
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let's talk about the election year, from the national conventions to the debates and after each and we have one of the events here, a lot of you were talking about what it was that stole the show. for example, going to take you back to clint eastwood and the empty chair, of course. that was one moment. then there was mitt romney who many say stole the show and won that first debate last week against president obama. and on that same night dare i say it, yep, big bird, big bird kind of did steal that show.
but last night during the vice presidential debate, as much as these two men prepared for those 90 minutes, sometimes it wasn't what they said but how they looked when they weren't saying a word. and some of the smiles, some of the smirks, i know, had a lot of you talking and tweeting. >> he sent me two letters saying, by the way, can you send me some stimulus money for companies here in the state of wisconsin? we sent millions of dollars. >> this idea -- this idea came from the clinton commission to save medicare chaired by senator john bro. here's the point, martha, if we don't -- >> my next guest is an expert in facial communication. he is professor chris cole, joins me here from purdue university in indiana. chris, welcome. and before we walk through and see sort of this cool technology and what you're doing to their faces, i want to ask you, why this matters, not just as much what they're saying, but how they appear. >> well, i think when you think about emotions, we -- emotions
are extremely important and a lot of us are actually making our decisions for this election based upon how we feel. and the best channel, probably the most important channel for communicating emotions is actually through the face. and we do it very spontaneously and automatically. >> this is something i know you told me earlier, you've been studying this for six years or so. let's begin. walk me through the clips. we have these clips from the debate. first, we'll see ryan's -- we'll see ryan's facial expression responding to biden talking about abortion. >> yes. and so what you're seeing is joe biden is talking about his belief that the government shouldn't -- that we should be accepting or more tolerant and that you shouldn't push one's religious views. >> so what is this on paul ryan's face? what is that? >> what you're seeing are 491
different points on his face that are measuring different muscle movements. so the -- each muscle movement represents or actions a mathematical model represents then the emotion that is being represented. >> so what is he expressing here? >> so what he's expressing is a very personal disgust and fear and sadness when he hears biden talking about abortion. >> and you can see all of this by all these different points on his face. let's flip the script and talk about biden. this is biden talking about ryan's budget proposal. what expressions can you read there? >> a lot of anger, right? and if you watch his handling, which i know it is outside of the facial expressions, but if you watch his hands move down and up, he's definitely very expressive, very intense in his emotions.
he looks, i think, there is disgust and anger there on his face. >> doing all this research, using this technology, do you think americans, when they go to the polls on november 6th, do you think they tend to vote for the more expressive candidate? >> i think they vote for the candidate that they're going to be more emotionally connected to. and then they probably justify that decision through policy and other issues. >> all because of the points on a face and is -- did anything jump out at you, last question, did anything jump out at you expressionwise last night? >> i call this debate the bulldog and the puppy because i think joe biden was extremely aggressive at one point even with the moderator. and ryan sat there with kind of a surprised facial expression. but, you know, he was very likable through it out. so my guess is when we talk about emotional connections, maybe not a lot of independent
voters were swayed, but it probably encouraged both of their bases. >> that's precisely what many a pundit told me today. chris cole, we appreciate it, from purdue university in indiana. thank you very much. >> thank you, brooke. coming up next, we'll talk with a cnn hero on a life saving crusa crusade. ♪ ♪ hi dad. many years from now, when the subaru is theirs... hey. you missed a spot. ...i'll look back on this day and laugh. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story.
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>> butte, montana, has an apathetic attitude to underage drinking. it's generational. i wanted to give teenagers encouragement not to drink. >> and here he is. i want to bring in our cnn hero leo mccarthy joining me from butte. leo, welcome. there's so much i want to talk to you about. but i have to begin with your daughter. can you take me back just briefly october 27, 2007, what happened? >> sure. two of her friends were just walking on a designated pedestrian pathway about half a block away from our home and they were mowed over by an underage drunk driver who came back to the scene and did nothing for them and later drove off. unfortunately, mariah didn't make it, but the other two did. >> i am so sorry about your daughter, but the way you've turned this around here. just some background for our
viewers, i know someone from butte and she was explaining to me how this is a drinking town. this is a tough drinking town. a lot of people wear it as a badge of pride. a lot of folks saw the inside of bars before they could walk. drinking in middle school. how do you reach these kids? >> well, first of all, butte is a very gracious town. it's a town of hard living. has some great people here with deep hearts and deep souls. unfortunately we have a portion of our history that is directed towards that heavy drinking. what we tried to do through my daughter's eulogy is to affect three of four of her friends in the funeral just to put their faith in good, not in the bad. and look towards the future. and always believe they're always greater than the situation. and if they go through high school without drinking, without doing drugs, without getting in
the bad stuff and talking with their parents and giving back to the community, myself, my family, a lot of other people will be there to give them money for post education needs. >> leo, let me brag on you for a moment. i don't know if you will, but i will say you have handed out nearly $150,000 in scholarships. i just want our viewers to hear from one of these recipients. this is from a young man named josh. >> the challenge made me take a second look at my surroundings as a whole and see the things i never wanted to be. gazing upon the community, all that can be seen is bars, casinos and families ruined by the bottom of a liquor bottle. when i took the challenge, i was not taking an oath not to drink and not to do drugs. i was making a commitment to myself and my family to succeed and do something great with my life. >> this is just one story i'm sure of many. being a cnn hero, what does this mean to you? >> it's overpowering.
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